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Sandra L. Richter's avatar

Hi Michelle,

Pete's comment about Genesis (specifically Lot and his daughters) is related to what we call the "to this day" passages scattered throughout the book of Genesis (e.g. Genesis 19:37-38; 22:14; 26:33; 32:32; 35:20; 47:26). In each of these passages we get to see the hand (and location!) of our historian. The narrator offers you the material he has inherited (his source material) and then tells you something about how that ancient reality demonstrates itself "to this day." In the particular example at Exiles the "to this day" passage was identifying Lot's incestuous sons, Ammon and Moab, as men who would eventually lead tribal nations, the nations of Ammon and Moab.

I was actually surprised to hear Pete utilizing that information to speak against the historicity of the text, as that information actually speaks FOR the historicity of the text. Why do I say that? One, your historian is not shy of letting you know he's there. Two, these passages demonstrate that a later narrator/historian values and esteems these ancient traditions about his people as true, and that he is using much older source material to compose his account of the past (that's good historiographic method!). Three, think with me about the most conservative stance anyone has regarding the authorship of the book of Genesis. That would be Moses, right? Well, Moses lived as few as 500 years after Abraham, as many as 700. So of course Moses would need to be making use of the oral and written traditions of his people to come up with the book of Genesis. And it is very important to note that almost all of the "to this day" passages in the Bible are right there in the book of Genesis (there are none in Exodus, Leviticus, or Numbers).

Lastly, the nations of Ammon and Moab (Pete's references) were well established by the Late Bronze Age, 1550-1200 BCE (that's a long time before the monarchy). There are many resources that speak to this reality. The most technical is likely Anson Rainey and R. Steven Notley's "The Sacred Bridge" Carta Atlas of the Biblical World, another that is nice is Thomas D. Petter's "The Land Between the Two Rivers: Early Israelite Identities in Central Transjordan" (Eisenbrauns).

As for Marty Solomon, I don't know his arguments. But having read a lot of the Rabbis during my time at Harvard (my teacher was Professor Jon D. Levenson), I can tell you the Rabbis can do some wild stuff (and they like it that way!) What else can I help you with?

Barbara Roberts's avatar

“Historical writing in the Bible was not chronologically linear or event-oriented. It was character-oriented.”

Thankyou . 🙌

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